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What Lies Ahead In A Post-Roe World?

It's terrifying how much people seem to be for the death of innocent children simply because they don't want to take responsibility for their own choices.

Abortion shouldn't be used as contraceptive. I don't completely believe it's because of the woman being immature or she made stupid choices. Some people's birth control does fail. I think it should be used sparingly and based on the severity of the situation on whether it's a rape victim (someone who did not "legally" consent to sex and therefor did not consent to getting pregnant) , or if it's a life threatening pregnancy ( examples: ectopic pregnancy, severe pre-clampsia, or pulmonary embolism), if you see my meaning. But then again, it's none of my business what the woman does with her body. It has zero effect on my life with what other people do.
 
(The Guardian) The supreme court today declined to weigh in on the topic of so-called “fetal personhood” by turning away a challenge to a Rhode Island law codifying abortion rights, Reuters reports.

Had it taken the case, the court’s conservative majority – which in June overturned Roe v Wade and allowed states to ban abortion – could have had the chance to decide the point at which fetuses are entitled to constitutional rights.

Here’s more from Reuters: Conservative Justice Samuel Alito wrote in June’s ruling overturning the abortion rights precedent that in the decision the court took no position on “if and when prenatal life is entitled to any of the rights enjoyed after birth.”

Some Republicans at the state level have pursued what are called fetal personhood laws, like one enacted in Georgia affecting fetuses starting at around six weeks of pregnancy, that would grant fetuses before birth a variety of legal rights and protections like those of any person.

Under such laws, termination of a pregnancy legally could be considered murder.

Lawyers for the group Catholics for Life and the two Rhode Island women - one named Nichole Leigh Rowley and the other using the pseudonym Jane Doe - argued that the case “presents the opportunity for this court to meet that inevitable question head on” by deciding if fetuses possess due process and equal protection rights conferred by the U.S. Constitution’s 14th Amendment.

The Rhode Island Supreme Court relied on the now-reversed Roe precedent in finding that the 14th Amendment did not extend rights to fetuses. The Roe ruling had recognized that the right to personal privacy under the U.S. Constitution protected a woman’s ability to terminate her pregnancy.
 
(The Guardian) Voters won’t just elect lawmakers and governors in the 8 November elections. In Michigan, they’ll choose whether or not to allow a 90-year-old abortion ban to go into effect. Poppy Noor reports from Ann Arbor: In the spring of this year, Julie Falbaum’s 20-year-old son walked into a frat party filled with about 50 of his peers, holding a stack of petitions. They were for a campaign to protect abortion.

“Who wants to be a dad?” he yelled. Like a park-goer throwing bread to pigeons, he chucked the forms around the room and watched as dozens of young men swarmed to sign them.

The campaign to enshrine abortion rights in the state constitution was already under way here even before Roe fell, and it has become an embittered battle in Michigan – to keep a 90-year-old abortion ban off the books. Campaigners fear that ban would criminalise doctors and pregnant people and deny essential medical care, such as miscarriage medication, now that the constitutional right to abortion no longer exists in the US.

The battle in Michigan has brought death threats and vandalism from pro-choice militants. On the anti-choice side, it has involved dirty tactics from the Republican party, which tried to block a petition brought by nearly 800,000 Michiganders over formatting errors, and has peddled a wide campaign of misinformation.

Julie Falbaum, a campaigner for the yes campaign on Proposal 3, which would establish reproductive rights, believes her son’s story – that he managed to collect so many signatures at a frat party without a campaign plan - is reflective of a broad coalition of support for “Prop 3”, which is supported by men and women, young people and older people, Republicans and Democrats.

“I see Michigan as pivotal to the future of democracy in the United States,” says Deirdre Roney, 60, who travelled from Los Angeles to campaign for the ballot in Detroit, where she grew up. Explaining that Detroit is the biggest voting bloc in Michigan, and that Michigan is one of the swingiest states in the country, she adds: “This is a blueprint. If this passes in Michigan, other states can use it.”
 
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(The Guardian) Victory for abortion rights activists in Vermont
Voters in Vermonthave voted to protect abortion rights in the states’ constitution, shoring up already-existing rights in the state.

That makes it the first state to protect abortion rights in the state constitution. For those having a ‘but what about Kansas??’ moment: that vote was slightly different, as anti-choice campaigners were asking people to confirm there were no protections for abortion in the state constitution.

That initiative was always expected to pass - in a state so pro-choice even the Republican governor was in supports of it. But the margins speak for themselves: with 62% of votes counted, the yes campaign led 77-23%. Local news reported a jubilant atmosphere, with many campaigners congratulating themselves for making history. Full votes will be in on Wednesday.
 
(The Guardian) Montana voters reject 'born alive' law
Montana has become the latest state where voters said no to further abortion restrictions by rejecting a law that was meant to stop the killing outside the womb of babies who survive a failed abortion – which is already illegal.

The so-called “born alive” law would have allowed medical providers to face criminal charges if they don’t take “all medically appropriate and reasonable actions to preserve the life” of infants, according to the AP.

The defeat puts Montana among the ranks of Republican-leaning states where voters have rejected attempts to further tighten down on abortion access following the supreme court’s overturning of Roe v Wade in June. Here’s more on the failed law from the AP: Health care professionals and other opponents argued the proposal could rob parents of precious time with infants born with incurable medical issues if doctors are forced to attempt treatment. “Today’s win sends a clear message to state leadership: Montanans demand our right to make private health care decisions for ourselves and our families with the help of our trusted medical teams — and without interference from politicians,” said a statement from Hillary-Anne Crosby, a spokesperson for an organization called Compassion for Montana Families that opposed the measure.

The outcome comes after a series of wins for abortion rights supporters in states around the country where abortion was directly on the ballot during the midterm elections. Voters enshrined abortion protections into state constitutions in Michigan, California and Vermont. They also voted down an anti-abortion constitutional amendment in conservative Kentucky, just as voters did in Kansas in August.

Supporters said the proposed Montana law was meant to prevent the killing of infants outside the womb in rare occurrence of a failed abortion, something that is already is illegal. Penalties for violating the proposed law would have included up to $50,000 in fines and up to 20 years in prison.

At least half of U.S. states have similar post-abortion born-alive laws in place, according to Americans United for Life, a Washington, D.C.-based organization that opposes abortion, aid in dying and infant stem cell research. “This initiative would have criminalized doctors, nurses and other health care workers for providing compassionate care for infants, and, in doing so, overridden the decision-making of Montana parents,” said a statement from Lauren Wilson of the Montana Chapter of the American Academy of Pediatrics.
 
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(The Guardian) A judge overturned Georgia’s ban on abortion starting around six weeks into a pregnancy, ruling today that it violated the US constitution and US supreme court precedent when it was enacted and was therefore void.

Fulton county superior court judge Robert McBurney’s ruling took effect immediately statewide, though the state attorney general’s office said it appealed it. The ban had been in effect since July, the Associated Press reports.

It prohibited most abortions once a “detectable human heartbeat” was present (even though that is a misnomer).

Cardiac activity can be detected by ultrasound in cells within an embryo that will eventually become the heart as early as six weeks into a pregnancy. That means most abortions in Georgia were effectively banned at a point before many people even knew they were pregnant.

McBurney’s ruling came in a lawsuit filed in July by doctors and advocacy groups that sought to strike down the ban on multiple grounds, including that it violates the Georgia constitution’s right to privacy and liberty by forcing pregnancy and childbirth on women in the state. McBurney did not rule on that claim.

Instead, his decision agreed with a different argument made in the lawsuit that the ban was invalid because when it was signed into law in 2019, US supreme court precedent allowed abortion well past six weeks.

Georgia’s law was passed by state lawmakers and signed by Governor Brian Kemp in 2019 but had been blocked from taking effect until the supreme court overturned Roe v Wade, which had protected the right to an abortion in the US for nearly 50 years.

The 11th US circuit court of appeals allowed Georgia to begin enforcing its abortion law just over three weeks after the high court’s decision in June.

Abortion clinics remained open, but providers said they were turning many people away because cardiac activity had been detected. They could then either travel to another state for an abortion or continue with their pregnancies.
 
I think they're being snarkish there; if you're (referring to government) going to try to control a woman's bodily autonomy, then turnabout (controlling male bodily autonomy) is fair play.

Not controlling your body or anyone else’s. You still can have all the sex you want with whoever you want and all risks associated with that lifestyle. The free market has given you countless options of birth control to fit your needs. The government steps in when you have abused the freedom given to you and now want to sacrifice another human life because you decided being selfish and not a responsible human being is how I want to move forward.
 
Lmao it's shit. What the fuck is Biden doing not turning this back?
 
(The Guardian) Harris: supreme court overturning of Roe v Wade 'created a healthcare crisis'
Kamala Harris and Joe Biden are convening the second meeting at the White House of the administration’s Task Force on Reproductive Healthcare Access.

The vice-president condemned the June decision by the right-dominated US Supreme Court to overturn Roe v Wade, as part of the pivotal Mississippi case Dobbs v Jackson Women’s Health Organization and tear up half a century of constitutional abortion rights across the US. “The Dobbs decision created a healthcare crisis in America,” Harris said.

She added: “A woman should have the freedom to make decisions about her own body. The government should not be making these decisions for the women of America.”

Harris noted that if the US Congress could codify the right to abortion previously afforded under Roe, rightwing leaders “could not ban abortion and they could not criminalize providers, so it’s important for everyone to know what’s at stake. To stop these attacks on women, we need to pass this law,” she said.

The vice-president also reminded people that ultra-conservative supreme court justice Clarence Thomas, at the time of the June ruling, appeared to offer a preview of the court’s potential future rulings, and that they may return to the issues of curtailing contraception access and marriage equality, threatening LGBTQ+ rights, on the basis of constitutional privacy rights such as those just ripped up in the overturning of Roe v Wade.

At the same event, the president said that he created the task force in the aftermath of the Scotus decision “which most people would acknowledge is a pretty extreme decision,” in order to take a “whole of government approach” to addressing “the damage” of that ruling. “The court got Roe right nerarly 50 years ago. Congress should codify the protections of Roe and do it once and for all. But right now we are short a handful of votes, so the only way it’s going to happen is if the American people make it happen.

“Meanwhile, congressional Republicans are doubling down on their extreme position with the proposal for a national ban. Let me be clear what that means. It means that even if you live in a state where extremist Republican officials aren’t running the show, your right to choose will still be at risk.”



It’s truly hilarious how murder is being called the reproductive healthcare summit.
 
Hopefully it gets reverted back, this is such a backwards law LMAO.
America is now the leader in mass murder above any other country in history of the world. All other countries like China are rank amateurs and the democrats didn’t have to use a single bullet against the black population. This is some backwards I call wonderful.
 
America is now the leader in mass murder above any other country in history of the world. All other countries like China are rank amateurs and the democrats didn’t have to use a single bullet against the black population. This is some backwards I call wonderful.
I'm all for murdering fetuses after bad sex tbvh.
 
I'm all for murdering fetuses after bad sex tbvh.

And one of several reasons why people wonder why society is going down the drain.

And the key word is after sex, not a month later when you realize you have a human being growing inside of you.
 
It's actually far better now than at anytime in the past because of absolutely amazing people like me Gigachad


Yeah, it’s not, it’s why the world has more people under slavery than any time in history.
 
We have slavery?

More than ever before. Even America has it right here with people in slavery and sex trafficking thanks to open borders. It’s across the planet and it’s getting worse. Just goggle it. The planet isn’t better in anyway right now.
 
More than ever before. Even America has it right here with people in slavery and sex trafficking thanks to open borders. It’s across the planet and it’s getting worse. Just goggle it. The planet isn’t better in anyway right now.
Perfect? Nope. Better? Very much so.
 
Perfect? Nope. Better? Very much so.

Better for where and in relation to what?

The world is far more dangerous for everyone compared to the mid 80s and 90s

Less middle class than the 80s, 90s and early 2000s.

Far more expensive to eat healthy than ever before.

Government interference has put so many regulations on healthcare insurance it’s driven the price up well beyond normal inflation from the 80s, 90s and before Obama care came out.

Technology is better but our lives aren’t.

So no!
 
LMAOOOO the decade of AIDS, a time where you couldn't even fucking call your friends except at payphones/home, shit Internet, people not connected and reachable 24/7 and basically a lack of accessibility all around and man says it was better.
 
LMAOOOO the decade of AIDS, a time where you couldn't even fucking call your friends except at payphones/home, shit Internet, people not connected and reachable 24/7 and basically a lack of accessibility all around and man says it was better.

And yet it was, if you’re judging the quality of life on how you made a call 😂😂😂
 
Not controlling your body or anyone else’s. You still can have all the sex you want with whoever you want and all risks associated with that lifestyle. The free market has given you countless options of birth control to fit your needs. The government steps in when you have abused the freedom given to you and now want to sacrifice another human life because you decided being selfish and not a responsible human being is how I want to move forward.

My views on abortion are mixed. This is more of my stance on the subject now a days.

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LMAOOOO the decade of AIDS, a time where you couldn't even fucking call your friends except at payphones/home, shit Internet, people not connected and reachable 24/7 and basically a lack of accessibility all around and man says it was better.

 
Lmao I never said that you unhinged retard. Read my post again.


The photo on the right is you and your wife. Yes, I'm getting personal now!

if your triggered this easy here in a back and forth conversation you must be a real joy at work to be around.


You not only said you stressed it.


After eating thanksgiving this year you could be correct 😂
 
(The Guardian) The demise of Roe v Wade was unusual in that Americans knew it was coming weeks in advance.

That’s because somebody obtained a draft of the decision in the Dobbs case and leaked it to Politico, a highly unusual development for an institution whose inner workings are almost never revealed. Chief justice John Roberts ordered an investigation into the leak, but yesterday, the court’s marshal said they could not figure out who did it.

That hasn’t sat well with some. Republican senator John Kennedy deployed his trademark colorful language in an interview with Fox News, blaming the leaker for putting a supreme court justice in danger:


He doesn’t name him, but Kennedy is likely referring to Brett Kavanaugh,a conservative who was among the justices voting to overturn Roe. Last summer, a 26-year-old man was arrested for allegedly plotting to assassinate Kavanaugh.
 
(The Guardian) As America comes to grips with the consequences of ending Roe v Wade, the Guardian’s Gloria Oladipo reports that experts are warning less access to reproductive healthcare will be felt in doctors offices and emergency rooms nationwide: Top doctors in the US warn that surgeons should be prepared to treat more patients with complications from self-managed abortions and forced pregnancy after the overturning of Roe v Wade.

In a recent opinion piece published in the BMJ, 17 experts from medical centers and universities including the University of Chicago, Duke Medicine and the University of Pennsylvania urged surgeons to be prepared to treat medical consequences related to a person’s inability to access an abortion. “In the aftermath of the supreme court’s Dobbs v Jackson Women’s Health decision, acute care surgeons face an increased likelihood of seeing patients with complications from both self-managed abortions and forced pregnancy in underserved areas of reproductive and maternity care throughout the USA,” read the op-ed.

The Dobbs v Jackson case eliminated the nationwide abortion rights established by Roe v Wade in 1972. While many states still provide access to abortions, many others now generally prohibit the termination of pregnancies. Physicians noted that self-managed abortions with pills such as mifepristone are extremely safe and used across the country to help provide access to abortion services.
 

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